So easy for the pundits to just say scrap it.

At a loss of roughly $300 Million a copy.

 

Pundits make it sound so simple.

The max 8 is a new plane, and in spite of its current shortcomings it is still a fine airplane.

The current surplus of air seats will not last. Shooter predicts within the year we'll be back to flying like cattle in cattle cars.

Those idle max 8's will be needed, and the people who are afraid to fly in them can ride the train.

By the time the FAA et al recertify the Max it will be the best plane ever built.

 

I expect a boom on seating in the next year, I'm even thinking of get my hands on some Boeing stocks

 

Let's put a marker down on this one.

 

Well, but no plane would ever dare crash with a Kiwi at the controls.

Or an American for that matter.

 

Hi. Beside the 737 max problems .The 787-8 also had major problems with bad design. all 787's build quality,KC46 (767 usaf tanker) over cost and build quality.boeing space capsule has problems also the last 737 -800 built was delivered very late because the fuselage and wing did not fit.Boeing is only interested in making a quick buck and they only have themselves to blame.

 

Oh, don't count Boeing out just yet. The company does a lot more than build airplanes. At one point Boeing had some 1,300 separate companies.

 

I agree Boeing will not go bust.The US miltary would be crippled if that happened.Half there aircraft would lose there support over night

 

Boeing 737 Max to Begin Certification Flight Tests

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing-737-max-to-begin-certification-flight-tests?ref=home

 

No matter. Worldwide demand for new aircraft is essentially zero, and Boeng has a backlog of over 400 737's.

This is because of Covid, another casualty in the covid wars.

 

But that would only for US airlines flying in US airspace .The rest of the world will be doing there own tests but because of covid 19 and the ban on EU people entering the US this has been delayed.Also i wonder if airline that code share ie say just for one American and British airways would be able sell a ticket on a non EU certificate aircrat in the EU .The world used to take the FAA as the gold standard but after this they what to do it themselves.

 

Also with 800 aircraft on the ground all will have to be modified and overhauled.The simulators modified and the pilots trained.There are not a large number of 737max simulators because Boeing said the were not needed.It will be 2020 before the max enters service in large number .Thats of course if people what to fly on them.With covid 19 and the max people may not what to take 2 chances by flying on them

 

Shooter would be more concerned about the competency of the flight crew than the stability of the aircraft.

 

Max 8 flew safely since certification in 2017. It took 2 third world pilots to screw that up.

Yes, you have to be competent in order to fly an airplane.

 

The simulator modifications may actually be simpler than you think - an easy software change, most likely made at the same time the software modifications are made to the aircraft. I worked on flight sims over 20 years on military aircraft, and as an example, we could program any of a number of versions of an aircraft for the training mission. This was done because, not only do our forces fly different versions of each type, but versions provided to other countries (who sometimes sent pilots to the US for training) through arms sales are not always the most up-to-date versions (weapon systems, electronic warfare, etc).

And remember, those 'third world pilots' that crashed weren't trained on that specific malfunction, because Boeing assumed it would never occur and, in updating training for the Max 8, decided training for it was unnecessary. And, unfortunately, the FAA took their word for it.

 

Shooters point was that the 737 will do exactly what it was designed to do, and has done thousands of times since it first flew, cause, you know, physics.

The variable in the end is the competency of the flight crew.

 

@freethinker we agree.

 

With over 16,000 airliners grounded and in long term storage world wide ,
for God knows how long ,
who is going to want anything to do with a few unsafe deathtraps ,
that need modifications and recertifying ,
before anyone can even begin to try and prove them safe ?

Then , whose going to fly in them .

Boeing's word is not worth a cunt full of cold snow.

They never came clean.
They denied , denied , denied and obfuscated , untill they were dragged kicking and screaming to thier castration.

Hundreds of good safe planes will probably never fly again ,
thousands will not fly for a couple of years and more.

We won't have WW open skies at least untill there is a widely available vaccine , with widespread uptake..

Then
what will the new tourism look like ?

How many will want to return to
thier assets being overrun with rampant uncontrolled , destructive low value tourism.

Amongst all of this;
Who's gonna want a smelly dog that may never come home one day.

The planes were not grounded for a year and a half because some pilots weren't trained to fly them properly.
The Max8 had basic design faults , which Boeing had been warned about ,
were a bad design modification ,
and inherently unstable and unsafe.

The "special training" that was not made available , and the updates and modifications that were never actioned ,
were all designed to mask and get around the basic known problem.

I saw the actual interview (early on) , in which a Boeing executive admitted that these things were not done
"because they were not required to do them"
by the FAA.

That is why two foreign piloted aircraft killed so many.
They were not told anything about special training , particular difficulties , or how to mitigate them.
And remember ;
Problems that if/when they arose , they had

just 47 seconds to solve.

It is most ingenious to pass those two crashes off as just the pilots fault.

That dose not wash.

 

Earlier in the year at the FAA and Boeing asked various US airline line pilots to fly the max sim with the old software with some mods and they had problems with the aircraft it was put in tha same situation with a damaged attitude sensor.They had very serious problems landing the aircraft safely.And they knew what to expect.