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Can Muslims live in America as fellow citizens?

  1. Yes they can. We should welcome them with open arms.

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  2. No they can't. We should ban them from entering our country.

    42 vote(s)
    40.0%
  3. Yes but only if they renounce the teachings of Mohammd and reform their religion.

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  1. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    The Rotherham Rapes’ Muslim Connection

    National Review August 27, 2014

    About eight miles from Sheffield in central England, the Metropolitan Borough of Rotherham is home to just over 258,000 residents — for comparison, about as many as reside in its transatlantic “twin town,” Buffalo, N.Y. It’s also home to a local government, child-social-services agency, and police department that effectively countenanced at least 1,400 instances of “child sexual exploitation” (CSE) between 1997 and 2013 — and that is a “conservative” estimate, according to the “Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham,” just released by Rotherham’s Metropolitan Borough Council...

    “By far the majority of perpetrators were described as ‘Asian’ by victims,” the inquiry reports — by which they mean members of Great Britain’s “Pakistani-heritage community”...

    Of course, the issue is not only race, but religion. According to 2011 census figures, 91 percent of Pakistanis in England and Wales are Muslim...

    Recent trials would seem to corroborate the Inquiry’s findings — and suggest that the problem is not contained to Rotherham. In November 2010 — the same month that five Rotherham men were jailed for sexual offenses against girls ages 12 to 16 — nine men from Derby were convicted for their part in “systematically abus[ing] and rap[ing]” girls as young as 12. Twenty-seven girls claimed to be victims of the gang. In May 2012, nine Rochdale men were sentenced for similar crimes against girls as young as 13. In June 2013, seven men who together groomed, raped, and trafficked girls as young as 11, were convicted and sentenced in Oxford. The defendants in each case were almost exclusively Muslim.

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  2. Distant Lover

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    When Worlds Collide: Unassimilable Muslim Migrants Crash Europe’s Fantasy Islam

    National Review January 9, 2016

    Cologne...was just Ground Zero of the New Year’s Eve rape jihad in Germany...

    Upward of a thousand men, overwhelmingly Muslim, executed a coordinated series of attacks on an obvious target of opportunity: street celebrations in the major cities of a reviled Western state, where they were certain to find throngs of young women and a police presence grossly inadequate to provide security

    Nearly 200 women have filed criminal complaints in Cologne, the vast majority charging all manner of sexual assault...

    A group of men encircles the targeted woman or girl, trapping her while walling off police and other would-be rescuers. Knowing they are a protected class, the Muslim men have no fear of the cops — “You can’t do anything to me,” and “Mrs. Merkel invited me here,” are just some of the reported taunts...

    when Muslims are seeking conquest, Islamic scripture endorses sexual assault as a weapon to establish their dominance. “O Prophet,” Allah is said to have announced (in the Koran’s sura 33:50), “We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou has paid their dowers, and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the captives of war whom Allah has assigned to thee.”
     
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  3. Heywood123

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    I never thought you would read that conservative rag
     
  4. Distant Lover

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    I enjoy investigating different points of view. You ought to have learned that by now. I usually disagree with economic policies advocated by National Review. However, I trust its integrity. When it maintains that Muslims in Europe are far more likely to engage in rape than whites whose ancestors lived in Europe centuries ago I believe that what it says is true.

    Of course there is abundant evidence from other sources that Muslim men are prone to rape non Muslim women. The reason this is not more widely known is because organs of the mainstream media are reluctant to report it.
     
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  5. Hardrive

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    Glade to see you join the conversation. Like you, I post facts and information to support my argument. The opposition responds with words like: Bull Shit, Bigot, Blowhard, Islamophobe and other gems used by those that are short on intellectual resources. I'm sure some of them are closet Islamist using Taquiya. The rest are clueless Islamic apologist. They're still trying to sell us that old pile of dew that Islam is a religion of peace and that Muslims love their Jewish and Christian brothers. In a past life they must have been Yugo salesmen.
     
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    2. freethinker
      To tell the ttuth, I wouldn't care to know you. But, you brought the subject up. As I said earlier, I took the time to answer your question in the thread title. Then I took the time to rebut your claims with solid, verifiable facts, only to be accused of making a 'document dump' in order to try and confuse the issue and cloud the truth. You don"t now me either - I tend to call things as I see them. The terms Islamophobic, racist, bigoted and ignorant certainly fit. Your continued defense of your position proves that.
       
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    3. Hardrive
      You think I'm a bigot because I dare to defend my opinions in opposition to yours? That’s the very definition of Bigot. "Bigotry: a stubborn and complete intolerance of any belief, or opinion that differs from one's own" That makes you the bigot. Let's move on to Racist. Islam is not a race. It is a belief system. It's true that I oppose the spread of Islam and that does fit the definition of Islamophobia. This is a word used to brand people that don’t like the Islamic ideology. The word comes from the prefix, Islam and the suffix, phobia, which means the "fear of Islam." In that sense you're right. I do fear the spread of Islamic ideology. Let's finish by tackling the word Ignorant. An ignorant person doesn't know. Let's see if that fits me or you. I know the meaning of the words Bigot, Racist and Islamophobic... which is more than you know. Because you still don't know that Islam is a dangerous and subversive ideology that should be feared and opposed by all thinking people
       
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    4. freethinker
      I think you're a bigot because you spread inflammatory disinformation about a religion and religious group you know nothing about. I think you are ignorant as opposed to stupid because you seem to be misinformed and uneducated about the subject - that can be remedied if one is willing to learn, but stupid is usually irreversible. As I said, my beliefs are from living and working and interacting closely with Muslims over close to 40 years - what do you base yours on?
       
      freethinker, Apr 17, 2016
    5. Distant Lover
      freethinker,

      You have done little to defend Muslims other than to post subjective evaluations based on personal experience.

      That is why I believe that it is important to support arguments with statistics drawn from credible sources. I have never known an Oriental I disliked. Rather than talk about all the nice Orientals I have known I prefer to draw attention to high average IQ's among Orientals and low rates of crime and illegitimacy.
       
      Distant Lover, Apr 17, 2016
    6. freethinker
      If you look, my observations coincide with and are supported by the sources I cited.
       
      freethinker, Apr 17, 2016
  6. Hardrive

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    I forgot to hit the reply button. My comment to Distant Lover is the above post.
     
  7. shootersa

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    As soon as someone starts with "Those (insert group) always (insert despicable action) ..................
    Shooter knows what follows will be incorrect, unsupportable or plain bullshit.
    Case in point.

    Of course there is abundant evidence from other sources that Muslim men are prone to rape non Muslim women. The reason this is not more widely known is because organs of the mainstream media are reluctant to report it.
    "Of course there is abundant evidence from other sources" What evidence, what sources?
    "Muslim men are prone to rape non Muslim women" Define Muslim. Identify your source.
    "The reason this is not more widely known is because organs of the mainstream media are reluctant to report it." Really? Again; what's your source

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  8. Distant Lover

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    Notice what happens when I post well documented facts about high black crime rates and low black IQ averages. :eek:

    No one tries to refute me because the Master of Facts knows what he is talking about. All they do is shout insults at me.

    My admiration of Orientals demonstrates that I am not a white nationalist. Nevertheless, I know on the basis of evidence not in dispute that the races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. Because these differences are durable geographically and historically, I believe that they are probably innate.

    This is why the results of the civil rights legislation have been disappointing, and why despite about a thousand years of persecution and discrimination culminating in the Holocaust, Ashkenazi Jews dominate fields requiring superior intelligence.
     
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    (sigh)
    We been over this. Your "facts" are inherently flawed, your logic is faulty, and in the end what you keep saying is;
    "Niggers is stupid and violent"
    Both crime statistics and IQ stats are inherently flawed when examined on the basis of race, because the definitions of race and the classifications are inaccurate
    But you already know that.
     
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  10. Distant Lover

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    For years I have documented my assertions about racial differences. Your responses have been emotional and insufficient to dispute my assertions.

    It should be easy to document different rape rates in Muslims and non Muslims living in Europe. The reason it is difficult is because of taboos and sanctions against propagating such information. Every now and then the evidence becomes so obvious it cannot be denied.
     
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    A photograph a Negrito follows this comment. Negritos live in South East Asia. They look very similar to Negroes. However, genetically they are very dissimilar.

    All of the races to not fit easily into the tripartite division of European whites, Negroes, and Orientals. Nevertheless, those who do can be easily identified by sight alone. They differ significantly in crime rates and IQ averages.

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    Look guys,if u go to muslim country. And simply tuch a woman in a street. U may be killed.As simply as that.It is sexual abuse and u wount go away.The only way out may be u marry her or pay ransom and it is gonna cost u dear.Muslims recognise only superior power either u dominate or u r sub and done.
     
  13. Hardrive

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    There are many black men and women that have reached the top of their professions. We have Black Scientist, Black Businessmen, Black Performers, Black Sports Stars, Black Surgeons, Black lawyers, Black Congressmen and Governors... hell, we even have a black President. There is no doubt in my mind that Blacks can be as successful as any other group. I must also point out the large numbers of blacks that have integrated well into the middle class. However I must also acknowledge that we have a large population of Black Street Thugs that are holding back and tarnishing the image of the larger Black Community.

    I find it hard to explain and account for this group of failed human beings. No doubt there is a socio-economic factor involved and I'm sure that this is all tied in with substandard education and lack of imprinted good family values. But these deficits are things that no amount of legislation, financial aid or social services can fix. (At least it hasn't worked up to now.) This problem is something that the black community is going to have to address. Mainstream Blacks are simply going to have to teach their children how to live in a modern society without using the crutch of being victims of white racism or the unfair economic system. These things are factors and they need to be addressed, but they're not the real cause of black Thug behavior. There are plenty of poor white kids but society does not have nearly the amount of problems with them as they have with Black Crime and Black social dysfunction.

    Black on Black crime is at an all time high and if Black lives really matter, that organization should look at the high number of blacks that are murdered by other blacks each year. These are epidemic in black neighborhoods and the spill over into white neighborhoods is driving a white backlash that is not helping the situation. My personal opinion is that what is driving the black street thug problem is the poor attitude and poor cooping skills of black children. So the solution is to re-educate these kids... and white people can't do that. Successful black people that have integrated well into the modern world are going to have to go to the ghettos and teach these kids how to plan for a better life and how to cope with setbacks. Show them that they can achieve a better future if they want it. And how to reject the hip-hop gangster culture that they now embracing and which is destroying their future.

    Time to get off my soap box and give someone else a chance. By the way I also think this could work for brainwashed Muslim kids. They too must learn that there is a better way to live then embracing all the hate and death that is taught by their religion.
     
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  14. Heywood123

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    You are sort of a weird enigma when it comes to point of view . You choose the facts that support your view . Some would call that flip flopping
     
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    ...it makes a cute picture...but the Muslims are hell bent on destroying us...you can't live with someone trying to kill you...you can only defend yourself...all US police & military should start using ammo with a pig fat base lubricant...the way the Israelis cut down on suicide bombers was by sinking steel posts in the ground & strapping drums of pig fat to the posts...a Muslim contaminate by pig fat can't go to heaven...no bomber would risk not go to heaven by ramming his vehicle into the drums of pig fat...if they knew the bullet that killed them would contaminate them they wouldn't get into gun fights with Americans...their only fear is NOT going to heaven...
     
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    My arguments have been fact based and my logic flawless.
    1) I have asked you to document the source for your "facts" that define how a perpetrator's or victim's race is determined. You have not replied. I did it for you. The race of the individual is determined by appearance and the personal prejudices of the one doing the classifying.
    2) I have asked you how race is determined by takers of IQ tests. You have not answered. I did it for you. Takers of IQ tests self identify race based on 4 narrow categories and one "mixed race" option.
    3) I have had you and others identify race based on appearance several times. You have failed each time, and you have admitted that a genetic test is the only reliable way to determine race.
    4) You have alleged that there is a "race gene"; the so called warrior gene. The studies alleging the correlation between the gene and behavior have been soundly discredited. If anything, the studies reinforce that the "warrior gene" is more likely to appear in non violent individuals than in violent individuals. The correlation between income and violent behavior is much more conclusive.
    5) You wave the Bell Curve Thingy about like it is the bible carried by Jesus. The "facts" in the Bell Curve have been refuted, the author has been exposed as a hack, and generally the Bell Curve is now rarely cited anywhere but as a glowing example of "liars figure"
    6) I have asked you to explain how it was that a statistically significant number of blacks were able, despite the sabotage of their white command, to outperform supposedly superior German, Japanese and Italians in WWII. You have failed to respond, other than to call it an "anomaly".
    7) I have asked how the supposedly gentle and intelligent Japanese over a period of 6 decades raped, murdered and brutalized half of the South Pacific and Indonesia, contrary to their genetic programming, and then reverted to their kind and gentle ways after the US bombed their asses into the stone age. Your answer has been silence.

    Your post quoted here is classic Distant Lover "logic" and "facts". Short on facts and logic, long on innuendo and bigotry.
     
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    WOW ... I don't even know where to start !!!

    Fuck it I will leave this one to our resident experts ...
     
  18. Distant Lover

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    I have acknowledged previously that racial characteristics overlap.

    I doubt that many black street thugs have the innate potential to become "Black Scientist, Black Businessmen, Black Performers, Black Sports Stars, Black Surgeons, Black lawyers, Black Congressmen and Governors."

    The black street thugs reject the discipline of school because they know that they cannot do well. By disrupting classes and beating up blacks who "act white" by performing well they shield themselves from the pain of failure. No matter how hard they studied most would not learn very much.

    Black political activists are a cut or two above black street thugs. Nevertheless, by blaming their problems and the problems of blacks in general on police brutality, white skin privalege, systemic racism, and so on they distract attention away from their genetic deficiencies and the genetic deficiencies of their race.

    People work hard at what they are good at. That is why in the black majority city I live in the basketball courts are always full of blacks weather permitting, but the public libraries are not.
     
  19. Distant Lover

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    Far from being silent I have answered each of your supposed objections on many occasions.

    For reasons of your own you choose to argue with me. I suspect that privately you agree with me.
     
    1. shootersa
      You suspect incorrectly.
      I do feel sorry for you. Your fear of blacks has caused you to miss many positive experiences and life enhancing opportunities.
      On many topics you seem to think through your conclusions and can defend them when challenged.
      When it comes to Democrats and race though you are so demented and closed minded that you do not even see the stupidity of your comments.

      You have never responded to any of my arguments or questions relative to race. I have even started whole threads just to get you to debate with me, but you have declined.
      Like most bigots, when challenged you show your cowardice.

      Do this; take each of my 7 points and in a few sentences or a paragraph, explain how you have refuted my point.

      I'll wait over here, where I can sit comfortably.
       
      shootersa, Apr 17, 2016
    2. Distant Lover
      I have already given you far more attention than you deserve.
       
      Distant Lover, Apr 17, 2016
    3. shootersa
      In other words, once again, you won't respond.
      You do know everyone else can see how you respond, and they draw the same conclusions I do about your refusal to respond?
       
      shootersa, Apr 19, 2016
  20. Distant Lover

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    I invite others to dispute my assertions with facts drawn from credible sources. What I get instead are insults, name calling, and obscene words.

    One of the problems I face in substantiating my assertions about innate racial differences is that much of the information I could use is covered up. It should be easy for me to document differences in crime rates between Muslims living in Europe, and whites whose ancestors were there hundreds of years ago. It is not because of efforts to cover up that information. Nevertheless, the truth occasionally leaks out.